About Josh


Air Traffic Management

**Minor:** Aviation Safety
**Age:** 19
**Hometown:** Fort Walton Beach, FL
**Career Goals:** To be an air traffic controller for the FAA, or a supervisor of personnel in the aviation industry.
**Activities:** Football, Video Games, Student Journal Writer
**Why I chose Embry-Riddle:** Because I wanted the best training possible for my field, and the caliber of Embry-Riddle is unmatched by any other school.

March 22nd

Well spring break is over, and it seemed that I had just left Daytona when I found myself driving back. Although the break was needed, I was ready to get back in the swing of things back here at Riddle. I left last Friday and drove six hours home to Fort Walton Beach, where I spent the entire break. I think I ended up going to the beach almost every day, and hanging out with my buddies from high school every night. I also was able to spend some valuable time with my family, who I miss more than I thought I would, which was nice.

Before I left for break, all of my professors thought it would be a good idea to flood their students with the second round of tests. Needless to say, I spent the week before break with my nose stuck in my books. I performed about the same as I did on the first round of tests earlier in the semester, so my grades are still pretty high at this point. The space shuttle was also supposed to launch before break, but as usual they found something working improperly during its inspection so it did not go up. But upon arriving back in Daytona, I heard that it went up during the break. Hearing this sort of bummed me out, because I have still not been able to see one launch since I moved here! Oh well, hopefully I can catch it the next time.

Things back in Daytona are just as I left them. I registered for my classes for the summer A term; I am taking AT302 and AT305, which are the second and third courses in the air traffic control series. For the summer B term, I am still hoping to do an internship with the FAA in an ATC facility. Pike is still keeping me very busy, but I wouldn’t have it any other way. I enjoy being with these guys and having the support of my pledge brothers is something that means quite a lot to me. My job at the admissions office is still awesome, and I just became certified to give campus tours on my own. So when all you journal readers out there decide to come down and visit the campus, you’ll probably meet me in the admissions visitor center. And if you’re lucky, you might get me as your tour guide. Ha-ha, just kidding.

Anyhow, shoot me an email and let me know if you have any questions. And let me know when you all get your acceptance letters!


March 8th

Hello to all! Daytona is finally rid of all the bikers and I think the dust is ready to settle. This town has been a total zoo for the past week! Bike Week was more than I could have ever imagined, but it was a good time. So after all of the commotion, what comes next? Mid terms! I have been swamped in study sessions and homework problems for the last half of last week and will continue to be under the weight of tests until this Wednesday.

I recently went to Atlanta, Georgia, for a leadership conference called Pike University. This is a convention where Pi Kappa Alpha members and alumni go to learn about different types of leadership and how to recruit people for the fraternity. They also taught various things, such as how to iron a tie, manage finances, and dress properly. I found these particularly insightful because it’s not every day I get the opportunity to be taught things of that nature. I had a great time, and really learned the true meaning of servant leadership. But upon leaving Atlanta, we got caught in a snow blizzard! No joke, a cold front pushed through the southeast last weekend and snow was reported almost to the Florida-Georgia state line. Being a Florida native, I had never driven through snow before so it was an adventure in and of itself.

This past week was Greek Week, which is a campus-wide competition among the fraternities and sororities here at Riddle. Every evening has a different event: one day is tug of war, one is cardboard boat races, one is relay races, etc. We didn’t perform as well as we usually do, but it was still a good time and we still had fun. Friday night was an event called “Up ’til Dawn” which raises money for St. Jude’s Children’s Hospital. Up ’til Dawn is just that – you stay up from 7pm to 7am and raise money for charity. All of the Pikes attended and we wrote letters to people asking for donations to the hospital and earned a good amount of community service, not to mention helping out the kids at St. Jude’s.

Our pledge class of Pike competes in both basketball and softball in the Riddle intramural league, and I usually come out to all the games and play. We usually lose, but we always have a good time so it’s not a big deal. We have come a long way since we began, so progress is always rewarding.

I recently got a new job on campus as campus tour guide. I really wanted a position in the admissions department, and had been waiting for one to become available for quite some time. I received an email stating four positions had opened up in the admissions department so I went in and scheduled an interview. Apparently, fifty-three other people also had the same idea I had. So many people were competing for so few jobs! But after all was said and done, myself and another Pike received the spots, along with two others. I start this next week, so I am really looking forward to what this position will have to offer.

And guess what next week is? SPRING BREAK! Woo hoo! I am really stoked to head home for a week and see my friends and family. It’s been almost three months since I’ve seen them all. Adjusting to my high school friends being so far away has been the hardest part about college. Anyhow, next time you hear from me, I’ll be in Fort Walton Beach, Florida!

Let me know if you have any questions about Riddle or Pike, and hopefully I can see you all soon when you come for your campus tour! Hello to Andrea and Juan and thanks for all the emails! (See, when you email, you get a shout out!)

See ya,

February 22nd

Greetings to all! I hope everyone is having a successful and productive year so far! The Daytona 500 is finally over and things have just begun to return to normal. I guess I can’t get too used to it though, because Bike Week starts up next week. I have never seen so many people crammed into one city! We found that it took longer to drive to the Speedway than it did to just walk over. I went to the race on Sunday, and worked security at the Daytona Club for a few hours to earn some community service. The race ended up getting rained out, and it was a soggy mess trying to leave the track. There was four F-15s at Daytona Int’l for the weekend which did the flyover to start the race. You see, I live adjacent to Eglin AFB in northwest Florida so I am used to hearing fighters, especially 15s, buzzing around my house on a regular basis. It was nice to hear the roar of those engines again. They made me feel like I was back home.

Classes are going really well, and I feel like I am managing my time well enough to perform soundly while also having fun and keeping up with my Pike activities. I scored well on all of my tests we’ve taken so I am very pleased about that. Speaking of classes…

* MWF 8:00-9:00 – AT200 – Air Traffic Management I – This class is at eight in the morning! So many days I wake up and seriously contemplate going to this one, especially if I was up until one or two studying. (studying. right…) It usually ends with me in gym shorts and a sweatshirt walking to class in a hurry. We took our first test, in which I scored an 86 on. I’m not satisfied with an 86, so I really hope to do better on the next one. The tests in this class cover six to eight chapters at a time, so with such a large volume of material it’s tough to remember it all. We are finally beginning the real meat of the course, studying Letters of Agreement, Standard Operating Procedures, Fundamentals of Radar, and Airspace.

*MWF 11:45-12:45 – WX301 – Aviation Weather – We took a test in this class last week, and I got an 84 on it. Like AT200, the tests in this class cover quite a vast amount of notes. But the professor said the first test in this class is much harder than the rest of the tests in the semester so the next test should have a higher result. This class also has a lot of homework and labs, which lessens the weight of the tests. Overall I have a 92 so I am just going to concentrate on keeping it up there. It has been a while since I took WX201, so the material takes some time to make sense, but I eventually get it.

*MWF 4:45-5:45 – PS103 – Technical Physics I – Physics is still super easy, which I attribute to excellent preparation by a fantastic teacher I had for physics in high school. We are moving very quickly through the book and the homework in this class can be a killer sometimes. It’s not hard, just very time consuming. The lab portion of this class only meets once a week, which is nice. However, the lab reports are such a pain to type up and understand. In this lab, me and three other students conduct an experiment and then figure out all of the math that makes it work. The guys in my lab group are pretty smart, so that makes the experiments and computations run smoothly.

*TTH 9:45-11:00 – MA112 – College Math for Aviation II – This is probably my favorite class. I love math anyway, but Professor Collins is an absolutely incredible teacher. On our first test, I scored a 92 which I think is acceptable. This class is really a breeze as long as you do the homework and participate in class.

*TTH 11:15-12:30 – BA201 – Principles of Management – One word could describe this class: Boring. I understand that management is necessary, especially for someone like myself who would enjoy the opportunity to one day manage an air traffic facility. I just wish this class wasn’t a woman talking for an ungodly amount of time. I scored a 92 on the first test in here, so that makes my outlook on this class a little brighter. We are currently working on a group project about a company of our choice about how their management is run within the business. We chose Embraer, who is an aircraft manufacturing company. Most regional jets are either made by Embraer or another company by the name of Canadair. (The prefix “ERJ” in some aircraft identifiers stands for “Embraer Regional Jet”).

Pike is keeping really busy lately, but I am making some great friendships and contacts that will stay with me for the rest of my life. Many people say pledging a fraternity is almost like having another class, because of all the work required. I’m beginning to agree with them. There have been several basketball games recently, which are always a blast to attend. It’s great fun to trash talk the other team and complain to the referees about their terrible calls (which always seems to happen). Hockey games are also a blast, except they always seem to fall on freezing cold nights. The rink is several degrees colder than outside due to the ice, so I always freeze by behind off. Also, last week was the date auction. This is where people are auctioned off for dates and all the money raised goes to charity.

In other news, I recently was invited to join the National Society of Collegiate Scholars, which I am very excited about. NSCS is an honor society for only students with a 3.4 or higher cumulative GPA. I am really looking forward to Spring Break so I can see my family and friends from back home again. My best friend Sam is coming down from Ft. Bragg, North Carolina, to spend a few days with me at the beginning of Spring Break. Sam is in the military, so it’s not often I get to see him, let alone spend a few days together. He is shipping out to go to Afghanistan in the beginning of April, so this time will be very special.

Anyway, that’s all for now. I hope everything is well with all you readers out there and don’t forget to shoot me an email if anyone has any questions about Riddle.

Until next time.

February 8th

Hello again to all you readers out there! Let me just start this journal by saying thank you to all of the people who have sent emails with questions, and friends and family who are always chomping at the bit, waiting for me to post another journal. Things here in Daytona have been flying, and I couldn’t be happier with this semester’s turnout so far. Classes are still going fairly well and I am beginning to feel a little more at ease with the workload and overall expectations of what’s to come. I had two tests this last week, in Calculus and Physics, which I felt thoroughly prepared for and my performance was reflected in that. I scored very well on both tests and it was very pleasing to see the work I’d put in so far pay off. It has been freezing cold all this last week, but the good news is that it is supposed to be in the seventies during this entire upcoming week. I can definitely dig that! Walking to classes in the cold, especially at eight in the morning, is a real bummer – particularly when you are late so running through it is your only option. Nevertheless, I’m looking forward to warmer weather.

As far as student activities are concerned, I just have one thing to say about last week. Rush Week was a blast! All of the events were planned and organized very well, so it was nice to just be able to attend, have a great time, and get to know all of the brothers in Pike. I was able to attend all of the rush events, which included an “Invitation Only” dinner on Friday night, which was essentially for all of the men who received a bid to join Pike. We had a blast, and I am very happy with my decision to rush Pike. Besides Rush Week, there have been quite a few things going on in Daytona. We had the Rolex 24 race last weekend, then yesterday was the Budweiser Shootout, and all this coming up week is the Daytona 500 celebration leading up to the race on Sunday. It should be a lot of fun, but it will certainly be crowded. I headed across the street to the Volusia Mall yesterday, and was informed that I was being charged forty dollars for parking. I told the woman I just simply wanted to go to the mall, and she waived the fee. That seems like the start of a crowded and overwhelming week. I’ll try to stay on campus to avoid it all.

As I said before, my classes are at their stage where tests are beginning to start flying at me from all angles. I had two tests last week, and I have three tests this week. I feel fairly confident, but it is a little much all at once. Regardless, I’ll keep you updated as to how I perform. I am also looking into doing an internship in West Palm Beach working at the ATC Tower and TRACON (Terminal Radar Approach Control – basically the guys who handle all the departures after takeoff and arrivals before landing) facilities. I have completed all of the paperwork and have met all of the requirements to apply for the position, but I am required to wait until the first of March to go any further. However, I am excited about the opportunity nonetheless.

I hope you all enjoyed the Super Bowl. I am a Jacksonville Jaguars fan, so I really didn’t care who won the game. The Pikes had a get-together at one of the brother’s houses, so some of my pledge-brothers and I went and hung out. It was a great time, and an excellent opportunity for me to continue to meet more of the fraternity. Anyway, that’s all for now. I have an Air Traffic Management test tomorrow at eight o’clock in the morning. What was I thinking taking a class that early? At any rate, shoot me an email if any questions arise about Riddle or college in general. You can also find me on Facebook.

See ya!

January 25th

Hey everyone! The spring semester here is going by so quickly, I can barely keep up! But although this term is flying, I still have so many new things to share. It has been unbelievably cold during the last week or so and walking to class has been almost unbearable. I guess the Florida weather is taking some time off. I can’t stand it! Classes are still going fairly well and I am certainly enjoying myself so far.

Last weekend, my sister had a cheerleading competition in Kissimmee, FL, which is just south of Orlando. My family decided to all come down and see her, so I ended up meeting them Friday night. The drive was only about an hour and a half commute, so that wasn’t bad at all. As I said, I left Daytona Friday night after my last class and spent Friday and Saturday night there, then came home Sunday evening. My sister’s cheer competition was Saturday morning and following the conclusion of her awards, my family and I went to Universal Studios for the rest of the day. It was a blast! We also spent Sunday at the theme park. Spending the time with my parents and my siblings was very special for me, even though it had only been a few weeks since seeing them. At Universal, the park had a celebration of the University of Florida football National Championship, which was a lot of fun especially for my family because we are all big Gator fans. The park hosted a parade, and featured many players from over the years. I was also fortunate enough to meet a new member of my family that we never knew prior to a few years ago.

After returning to Daytona, I spent Monday playing football with the guys from my dorm since we didn’t have class on account of MLK day. Fortunately for me, I wasn’t assigned too much homework over the three-day weekend. However, the studies I did have, I had completed while in Kissimmee so I didn’t have to cram it all in Sunday night. Here at Riddle, or any college for that matter, procrastination is your worst enemy. So, I have found that the best way to approach homework is to finish it the night it is assigned, that way it isn’t all piled up at the end of the week. Anyhow, the rest of the week was fairly average… Same ‘ole, same ‘ole.

Thursday was the Activities Fair for the spring semester, which was quite interesting. The point of this fair is for all the clubs, Greek organizations, ROTCs, and student unions to present what they are all about. Booths were lined up for the entire Legacy Walk, and almost every organization at Riddle had a booth. This type of occasion was perfect for students who just transferred to the university in the spring, such as me, so I could browse all of the different clubs here. Also, I was able to talk to all of the fraternities which was very beneficial for me to see what each of the different frats stand for, how their organizations are run, and what kinds of community service each of them take part in. One of my main goals I had set before moving down to Riddle was to pledge a Greek organization. I decided to rush Pi Kappa Alpha (or Pike, as the brothers say). Thursday night was an event designated “Meet the Greeks,” where students interested in rushing can come out and meet the members of all the Greek organizations. I was able to hang out and get to know several of the brothers of Pike, and I really had an excellent time. On Friday night, there was a Pike rush event in which we all went bowling. Again, it was a great time and my decision to rush Pike has been continually echoed with good feelings. At the end of the night, one of the brothers in a point of authority approached me and gave me a bid to join the fraternity. I accepted, and so my pledge process starts! All this next week is “Rush week,” so I’m really looking forward to attending the events and getting to know more of the brothers.

Embry-Riddle had a hockey game also on Friday night, so after leaving bowling a bunch of the members of Pike and myself went to the rink and watched our Eagles play against Florida State. I was very surprised that we were playing such a large school, especially since in basketball and in other sports in which Riddle competes, we always play little schools that specialize in some specific subject, much like ourselves. It turns out we have a pretty talented hockey team, because we beat FSU 9-1. The game was a blast! However, it was unbelievably cold that night, and the ice in the rink made it much colder.

It is finally starting to warm up here, thank goodness! I finally did my laundry, so I feel very accomplished about that. The laundry facilities here at Riddle are incredibly neat. You can pay to wash and dry clothes with your Eagle card, and the time remaining on your machine is posted on the ERNIE (Embry-Riddle Network for Information Exchange) web site. It is also possible for you to receive a text message when your cycle is complete! This is perfect for me because I live on the third floor of Doolittle, but the laundry room is on the first floor. That way I don’t have to keep coming down to check on my clothes.

This week coming up should be pretty busy, with all the Pike events and all. I also have a few tests coming up next week so much study time will be spent over the next few weeks. Until next time, take it easy!


January 13, 2009

Well, hello to everyone out there! It has only been a week since I wrote my last journal but I sure have quite a lot of new things to share. Classes here at Riddle are in full swing and the days seem to be flying by faster and faster. So far, I really enjoy going to my classes, which is more than I can say about any of my previous experiences with school. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I always went to class and tried my best in high school and last semester in college. But I can’t say that I truly taken pleasure in attending most of the courses I have been forced to take. Here at Riddle, it’s different somehow. Even though some of the classes I am taking are pretty generic and specialize upon some boring topic, the professors here are top-notch and really know how to make the course material relevant and practical. For example, my calculus professor is an Aeronautical Engineer, so somehow he always finds a way to relate what he is teaching to aviation. He knows the specific ways how vectors and derivatives and all those fancy terms are used in the real world, which is reassuring to see that the topics aren’t completely pointless. That factor to the education here at Riddle is something that has really stuck out and shown me how this college separates itself from other universities.

In my last journal, I gave you my list of classes but unfortunately, they have changed. At least some of them have. As it turns out, the math classes I took prior to coming to ERAU did not line up with courses in the outline for my major. This was a huge problem because I had already spent two semesters trying to knock out my required maths, but all the money and time I had invested in those classes was going to be overlooked. Luckily, I was able to take to Math Placement Exam which basically evaluates your overall math skills and places you into the correct math class. After taking it, I placed into the math I needed to be in and I got credit for the math I previously took. So in the end, it all worked out. Also, if you read my last journal you will remember me talking about the pains of registering as a transfer student. Because I couldn’t register for my classes until I got to campus, all of the ATC courses were full. But as it turns out, there were several other students in my same predicament. The director of Air Traffic here decided to open up another class of the entry-level ATC class, and I was able to jump into it. Unfortunately, that class was scheduled at the same time as my Aviation Safety class so I was forced to drop Safety this semester.

Here are my classes now:

  • MWF 8:00-9:00 – AT200 – Air Traffic Management I – This class is the basic, entry-level air traffic control class. The professor was a controller for thirty years or so at Washington Center so he definitely knows his stuff. So far, we have only learned about the history of air traffic control in the United States. The topics are a little dull for the time being, but I’m sure the material will liven up soon.
  • MWF 11:45-12:45 – WX301 – Aviation Weather – This is the second class in the Meteorology sequence. To be honest, weather is usually my least favorite subject in all of aviation and I absolutely dreaded WX201. But, so far this class has been pretty interesting. The professor used to be the local weatherman for the news here in Daytona, so that is really neat. Also, this class is held in very state-of-the-art classroom with computer stations at every desk. This allows the students to pull up the professor’s Power Point lectures up at their own desks, rather than having to stare at a huge screen at the front of the room.
  • MWF 4:45-5:45 – PS103 – Technical Physics I – First of all, this class is really easy so far. I took physics in high school so I feel that I have somewhat of a strong background on this subject and that might be why this class has been such a breeze. The professor is an engineer and he is a little off the wall, but a pretty good teacher nonetheless. I feel that I will be pretty successful in this class and I have always liked physics so I am looking forward to what else is to come. There is also a lab for this class that must be taken as a co-requisite that I have Wednesdays from 2:15-3:15.
  • TTH 9:45-11:00 – MA112 – College Math for Aviation II – This is the second mathematics course in a two-part series, obviously following College Math for Aviation I (MA111). It is a technical calculus class, and so far we have just been reviewing what was covered in MA111 for students who did have not taken it but rather have either tested into the class as I did, or transferred to Riddle from other schools and have taken a course equivalent. The professor (Jan Collins) is absolutely hilarious and I would recommend him to everyone who takes MA112. Anyhow, I usually enjoy math classes and this one seems like it should be fun.
  • TTH 11:15-12:30 – BA201 – Principles of Management – I like this class probably the least of all of the classes on my schedule. However, it is necessary so I am trying to stay interested and I keep telling myself that the material isn’t as boring as it seems. This class is just as its title entails, a course teaching the basic skills required to succeed as a manager in the business world. The professor talks non-stop for the entire hour and fifteen minutes and we just sit there and listen, jotting down the important points of her lectures. Hopefully this class will become more interesting as time progresses. There is a group project in this class, so that might bring a little spice to the party.

Campus life here in Daytona has been a blast so far. My dorm mates and I have been doing all kinds of fun stuff. Last week, my Resident Advisor called a meeting for our section of our floor in Doolittle. The point of the meeting was to introduce the new people, a.k.a. myself and one other guy, who introduced himself as, “King Louie,” or that’s what we thought he said at the time. It turns out his name is Kang Luiz, and he is from another country. It was a pretty funny conversation. Anyhow, the other point of the meeting was to sign up for sports to compete in “The Residence Hall Olympics.” This event is a chance for all of the residence halls to compete against each other in different sports. Soccer and basketball were Friday night and football and track were Saturday. I was on our flag football team, in which we took the bronze medal! I was pretty excited. Sunday was spent recovering from running, jumping, catching, and throwing all day Saturday. My roommate and I were both really sore so we both just rested in our room and watched TV.

I have probably eaten Chic-Fil-A everyday last week and this week for lunch. And dinner usually is spent at the buffet over in the Student Village. I bought some cereal and milk so I can have breakfast anytime, too. Overall, the food here is pretty good. Although, because I am so new here and all of my dorm mates are Engineering majors, many days I am stuck eating lunch in the Student Center by myself. I’m sure as time goes by, that will occur less and less. There was a basketball game tonight, so that was a blast! We played Florida Memorial University and we won, but the game was back and forth for its entirety. That made the game that much more exciting, especially when we pulled out a victory.

Well that’s all for now. My mom sent me a special pot for cooking soup in the microwave, so I think I am going to make some ramen noodles in it. It looks like it is getting ready to rain too so I might go sit in the study lounge and do some calculus homework. As I said in my last journal, if anyone out there has any questions about life here at Embry-Riddle, just send me an email and I’ll be sure to answer your questions as best as I can. Later!


January 7, 2009

Well hello to all out there!  Seems as though I was just finishing finals for last semester and here we are ready to start another.  To start, I’ll share a little bit about myself since I am a new resident student to Riddle.  My name is Josh Daily, and I am from the panhandle of Florida.  It’s roughly a six hour drive from campus, which is perfect; not too close to home, but not too distant either.  I was lucky enough to have an ERAU extended campus in my high school back home (Choctawhatchee Aviation Institute), so I was able to complete 18 credit hours of coursework for free while I was in high school. After high school, I attended Northwest Florida State College for last semester because unfortunately, I had to have surgery on my wrist forcing me to stay close to home.  In any case, I am here now!  I am an Air Traffic Management major here at the Daytona Beach campus.  I aspire to work in the ATC world in some way, shape, or form.

Transitioning into living at college could not have gone smoother for me.  I was really surprised at how well organized this whole operation is managed and run.  I had heard some horror stories from upper-classmen about the strains of housing assignments, registration, and adjusting to life on campus.  But honestly, the staff and students at Embry-Riddle are truly one of a kind.  I was assigned to Doolittle residence hall, and it took me all of five minutes to receive my keys and paperwork.  Before I knew it, I was all moved in!  I have been happy living in the dorms so far, and everyone seems to be really friendly.  From what I hear, Doolittle residents have some of the closest relationships due to the layout of the suites.  Eight students share a common bathroom facility here, which might sound terrible, but it’s really not bad at all.

Registration was probably the most painful part of the process, but it still took me less than thirty minutes.  Because I am a transfer student, registering for classes was problematic because some of the courses I had taken in previous semesters did not line up with the course outline here at Riddle.  On top of that, incoming students in the spring terms must wait until arriving on campus to sign up for their courses.  This situation presents the challenge of finding the courses you need, but digging to find ones that aren’t full.  For me, I wasn’t able to take any air traffic classes this semester for that reason.  But, the classes I did sign up for are needed in the long run, so no worries!  Speaking of classes…

Here’s my schedule:

MWF: SF210 Aviation Safety,  WX301 Aviation Weather,  PS103 Physics w/ lab

TTH:    BA201 Management,  IT109 Intro to Computers

Anyhow, classes start tomorrow and I’m really looking forward to this semester!  So far I have done nothing but goof around on campus and hang out with my newly found brethren of Doolittle’s 3rd East wing.  Food here is pretty good so far, and the meal plan set-up is quite neat.  Whether playing volleyball, tennis, or football, playing some Xbox in the room, or just simply walking around campus enjoying the weather here in Daytona, there seems to always be something going on.  I’m sure I’ll find tons of other activities to do outside my studies to keep me occupied while on my downtime.

Well, that’s all for now.  I’ll be sure to update as often as I can to keep all of you readers out there informed.  If anyone has any questions about academics, dorm life, or student activities just shoot me and email and I’ll be sure to respond as soon as I can!  Thanks for reading this and I hope to hear from all of you out there.  Be sure to let me know when you get your acceptance letters!